Neat larpable guns on the net

I’m thinking about getting one of these for use in Stargate etc. Would probably run it without the pellets firing.

Would be good to keep a list/discussion of potentially usable props on this thread.

I suppose it would work without the pellets, however the fact that is powered by an explosive charge,even one as small as a “cap” puts it frimly in the “Firearm” category as far as the NZ police is concerned and they would shit themselves over it.

I would suggest talking to your local arms officer about it first to find out exactly what thier position would be.

and then talking to someone in NZ customs about importing it.

and then more than likely come up with a different idea.

remember that in NZ the Police and customs are extremely draconian about anything even resembling a gun ending up in the publics hands, there is a quite strong lobby in NZ to have the private ownership of all types of firearms banned, and that includes toys.

Can you call the cops and find out, Carl? Thanks.

There are a huge number of semi-dangerous airsoft guns that look like the real thing around, so I’m not sure if this would be seen differently.

And are you sure that the pellet is propelled by the cap on this one? I wouldn’t think a cap would really be enough to send anything flying.

I think Carl is correct.

There was a farmer up north who made a gun using exploding LPG and paintballs filled with some kind of sheep marker/treatment. He’d ride around his farm shooting sheep with it and reckoned he could do a days work in an hour.

When he came to market/sell it the police told him not to. I believe he eventually went to compressed air (traditional paintball style) and the police were fine with that.

Some guy on TradeMe was selling kitset spud guns using hair spray. Thew were considered firearms and he had to stop.

[quote=“Carl”]I suppose it would work without the pellets, however the fact that is powered by an explosive charge,even one as small as a “cap” puts it frimly in the “Firearm” category as far as the NZ police is concerned and they would shit themselves over it.

I would suggest talking to your local arms officer about it first to find out exactly what thier position would be.

and then talking to someone in NZ customs about importing it.

and then more than likely come up with a different idea.

remember that in NZ the Police and customs are extremely draconian about anything even resembling a gun ending up in the publics hands, there is a quite strong lobby in NZ to have the private ownership of all types of firearms banned, and that includes toys.[/quote]

Some of us have already looked at importing similar stuff for future larps, as well as ordinary cap guns. The biggest problem that customs and the nz police have with these is that citizen average can’t tell them apart from the real thing.

This particular one doesnot have the red capped barrel required for a toy in the is country, and as Carl correctly stated since t uses a form of blowback operation similiar to a real gun, complete with ejecting brass. It would be covered under the importation of firearms laws.

In short customs would most likley seize it at the border.

As i mentioned in the Ravenholme Forum though, it’s easier to get replica non firing weapons into this country than it is to get realistic toy guns.

sorry to rain on the parade, i would love to have had one of these myself.

Cool toys, I want one.

Just remember to be careful with them, under NZ law if a person thinks it is a real gun you will be charged as if it were a real gun.

There was that guy in Wellington that got 2 years for hijacking a taxi with a water pistol. Not to mention the Auckland man that was shot and killed for presenting a soft air gun to the armed offenders. Funny, but let’s not repeat this.

A phone call wont do it, you will have to show the arms officer a picture and give him details of the mechanisim and function of the gun, and explain why you want it, which is quite frankly more work than i am willing to put into something when i already know what his answer will be, sorry.

yeah me to but they make the big point of the fact that it is not an “air soft” weapon, which makes me wonder what the propulsion is.

personally i find absolutely nothing funny about that incident,

1; a human life was lost, and if i remember right he was under 20,

2; It is F***wits like this that are making life harder and harder for Honest Law Abiding Kiwis who enjoy the right to hunt, shoot, and collect firearms. The more cases like this that happen the more strength Messers Alpers and McCormack and thier band of scare mongering tree huggers get for thier agenda.

Quite frankly if you want to explore this kind of gear option for games like Stargate, Ravenholme, and Nightmare circle, i think that there should be a position on the LARPSNZ comittee that deals with liasing with the police.

If you go in off the street, cold, and just ask on a personal basis they will treat you as a Nutter and say NO! flat out. But if you go in as a representative of an incorporated society and lay out what you are doing and what you are about, and give them a list of games where guns could be used, and then follow that up with a “official” phone call to inform that a game is being run where guns are being used they will more than likely be a whole lot more approachable.

The Police Hate being kept out of the loop, and they tend to get very shitty when you make extra work for them. But if you make a pro-active effort to work with them and stay within the law they appreciate it and are much friendlier.

It is better to be known as Harmless fringe dwellers than potential terroists out to cause Chaos, the latter tend to get more shotguns pointed at them.

If we want to keep a good reputation with the police we should start getting pro-active about it

personally i find absolutely nothing funny about that incident,
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Apologies. editing error. The Funny bit should have been applied in an earlier paragraph. Oops.

Pretty much agree with everything else.

Gosh, I’m gonna get myself a pink gun with Hello Kitty on the handle and with fluffy pompons, to make sure nobody thinks it’s real.

A really good idea.

I wonder is getting a real gun and painting it pink and putting a red sticky dot over the end of the barrel would reduce the chances of the cops shooting you when you pulled it out. :smiley:

It’s got to delay their reaction time by at least a second…

[quote=“Alista”]
Apologies. editing error. The Funny bit should have been applied in an earlier paragraph. Oops.[/quote]

The Nimrod hi-jacking a taxi with a water pistol is rather humourous, in a darwin Awards kind of way, Try that in Texas dude.

[quote=“Derek”]I wonder is getting a real gun and painting it pink and putting a red sticky dot over the end of the barrel would reduce the chances of the cops shooting you when you pulled it out.

It’s got to delay their reaction time by at least a second…[/quote]

Once they got over the WTF reaction they would probably just Tazer you or set the dogs onto you, and then throw you in with the sodomites just for fun. while saying “You play silly buggers with us we will play silly buggers with you, only we are better at and have been doing it for longer”

look at it this way…would you ever think of going into the cafe across the street with your sword in hand and threaten people with it?

It will get exactly the same reaction from the police, a weapon is a weapon, and the police do not have the time nor the will to dick around with, “If it Quacks like a duck…etc;” they just hear the word “weapon” and thier response is almost Pavlovian.

commom sense is the winner in the end.

I nominate Carl to be nzLARPS representative to the police. Would be great to have you along at committee meetings and advising on this stuff :slight_smile:

It’s not that straight-forward to many of us, like me. I want to run terrorist training larps but I’d rather not go to jail. My skin is very soft.

I liase with the police everyday as a media representitive and I have firearms experience. So if you need any help finding out who to contact I can flip you a few numbers Carl. As for that toy, unfortunately if it has metal working parts and fires a round by explosion it is a firearm. You could in effect create live rounds for that toy even accidentally by having an object lodged in the barrell.

“The rifle will also fire soft hollow rubber pellets(included) but they DO NOT fire all the time if not properly installed in the shell.” One of these in a LARPers eye could see NZLARPS sued.

I asked a mate in the armed offenders squad, he said if this was the guy in Helensville then it was a cop on regular duty not the armed offenders squad that shot him. He robbed a gas station with a Glock airpistol, there was a car chase, then when driven off the road he jumped and ran, the armed police officer followed him, guy presented the fake Glock, cop shot him with a real Glock non-lethally twice, guy continued to present the fake Glock, cop shot him fatally in the chest.

My mate said the armed offenders would have probably done the same thing, except they would have got him in the chest the first time. They don’t have time for fast call-outs like that, they usually get called in when someone’s holed up in a building. And they haven’t killed anyone in NZ in a long time - since before my mate was on the service, some 8 years.

I don’t think that larpers with fake guns are going to be in that degree of risk from the police. We’re unlikely to commit a real crime like a theft with it, to run from police, to present it at police when told to surrender, and to keep pointing it at the cop when we’ve actually been shot.

Doesn’t matter, you may not get shot but you will get arrested for carrying an imitation firearm in public. Trust me, I hear it happen atleast once a day when I’m monitoring the scanners. You would get away with it if you spraypainted the barrel orange but you still could not use it in a public place.

TNC dont allow the use of any kind of weapon, firearm or other wise in public. and for this reason we have only puzzle and research typed things going on in public places.
I have heard that more than once other groups like TNC have been hassled by police for using their weapons in public. I cant understand why any one would needf to really. I mean it is just a game, you dont need to take combat out in the public eye really.
And i woudl bet the shells would all go missing by the end of a week end any way. they arent the biggest things in the world, and they fly out of the weapon.

NEW ZEALAND IS SUCH A SAFE PLACE!!!

I really feel much better after reading this thread. Sorry for such an offtop, but it’s really nice to know police is so attentive about people with guns etc.
Even though understanding that paper knife can be a weapon too.

Initiative is punishable, Carl, you’ve been promoted to the NZLARPs committee :laughing:

I understand that many years ago one of the KAOS players had trouble with a water pistol and some armed police on or near Queen Street. They are definately not as tolerant nowadays.

In Hamilton we have had the police turn up to Live Role Plays a couple of times. Once I had to go down and talk to them as they were getting into riot gear and getting the dogs out of the cars. This was after we had received permission from the city council and informed the police of the activity. We were only using the oldfashioned round boffer weapons.

[quote=“Exquire”]
I nominate Carl to be nzLARPS representative to the police. Would be great to have you along at committee meetings and advising on this stuff :slight_smile:[/quote]

I am honoured for the for the vote of confidence, but i must make you aware that my time in the evenings is limited and getting to evry commitee meeting would be difficult.

but if arrangements can be made i could make it every now and then.

Syhper I would appreciate you help with this, if it goes ahead that is.

why dont we let the commitee decide and go from there.

[quote]If you go in off the street, cold, and just ask on a personal basis they will treat you as a Nutter and say NO! flat out. But if you go in as a representative of an incorporated society and lay out what you are doing and what you are about, and give them a list of games where guns could be used, and then follow that up with a “official” phone call to inform that a game is being run where guns are being used they will more than likely be a whole lot more approachable.

The Police hate being kept out of the loop, and they tend to get very shitty when you make extra work for them. But if you make a pro-active effort to work with them and stay within the law they appreciate it and are much friendlier. [/quote]

Definitely agreed. All last year when I was filming DXF - which involved a LOT of realistic (but non-firing) firearms (ask Peter or Vanya) I had to call/visit the police a few days beforehand to inform them about it, give my details etc and get permission, and then I had to call them the night of filming to make sure it was logged. Same with the uni security, although they were a bit more lax. Things definitely went smoother when I said I was affiliated with the film club at uni, and after the first few times they began to treat it as routine. This only applies to any venue where the public might see you, but that includes private houses so unless you’re somewhere totally secluded (unlikely) it’s best to let them know. If you’re in a residential area - let the neighbours know.
Good idea to establish a relationship with the police - they’re much more relaxed if you’ve been coming in for a while, especially if you have an incident-free record.