Swedish LARP's!

Unless you considered somewhere like Howick historical village as a potential LARP arena (potential game?), there are very few recreated places. The village isnt even for LARP, infact, I dont know quite what it’s for.
The SIZE of your LARPs sounds amazing. It tempts me to learn the language and attend one. Perhaps I could just turn up and pretend to be a foreigner (which i think i could do quite nicely.)
It sounds like there is much less emphasis on the combat side of LARP over there, another thing that I am quite intrigued by.

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Hi again :slight_smile:
Sorry that I havent been able to answer for a while.

About specific LARP-villages I can say that well, there are a few here i Sweden, but they are certainly quite small. Not lika 50 houses if you say so, more like five :wink: Normally the games are set in some forest somewhere, without houses and stuff.

Talking about Dragonbane; in case anyone didn’t know that is a international LARP arranged mostly by some guys from Finland, but it takes place in Sweden. http://www.dragonbane.org is their website.
I don’t think I will participate in this game, mainly because of the cost. It costs like 1200 Swedish Crowns (208 New Zeeland dollars), and then you haven’t countered the cost of traveling to the LARP (it is arranged in another part of Sweden).
Normally a Swedish LARP costs something between 100 and 450 SEK (17-75 NZ dollar), so Dragonbane is quite expensive yes.
Well, I guess you must have in mind that they are building a smaller village for this specific LARP and that they have a fantastic gamearea (never earlier touched by human hands, more or less), but money is money.
What does a typical New Zeeland LARP cost?

The game itself will maybe not be exactly like normal Swedish games (it is arranged by people from Finland so… :stuck_out_tongue:) but it will certainly be nice. There will be 500-800 participants (or so I’ve heard).

Talking about the sizes of our LARPs, so well, for an example the german LARPs are quite much bigger… :stuck_out_tongue: Conquest of Mythodea (in Germany) had 3200 participants this year.
The thing is that there the focus seems to be like 99% on the battle, everyone is there to fight it seems (some of my friends went down to Germany and participated in the game in a sort of exchange projekt with an Italian/German LARP-group called Ordo Solis, http://www.ordosolis.org. They visited one of our big Unicorn-LARPs, and then my friends went to Germany for CoM).

I have nothing agains serious battle, but it seems quite unrealistic that everyone in a LARP plays some sort of warriors. Well, if the game illuminates a battle, sure, but CoM had a real village where people lived and so on, but sometimes everyone just gathered their weapons and went to the battle, like, for fun. It is certainly lots of fun, but not very IN character if you ask me. Which normal human would gladly (several times a day!) risk his life in a big battle? :laughing:

Its a “Living Museum.” http://www.fencible.org.nz/main.htm

I had a look at what it would cost to hire out so we could run a larp…

Are you sitting down?

$1000/day.

[quote=“Scotty”]Its a “Living Museum.” http://www.fencible.org.nz/main.htm

I had a look at what it would cost to hire out so we could run a larp…

Are you sitting down?

$1000/day.[/quote]

I wonder if LARPS could negotiate that down, being a non-profit org and potentially wanting to use it more than once. Negotiation is often a possibility, especially if you emphasis that it’d be educational (you’d be aiming to recreate the period). Or alternatively we could apply for a grant from a local body to help pay for the venue, if we ran an event there that was historically based (and thus both cultural and educational).

Some bits like this are totally sweet:

fencible.org.nz/avillagelife/sodcottage.htm

Otherwise, if we got 40 people to a game there it’d be… $25 each just for the venue. Which isn’t so awful. Although having said that, you’d be spending a bit on costumes and props too, and probably some on food.

I wonder if this might be a good setting for that colonial/Maori LARP concept that was discussed on the Mordavia forum. By focussing on the colonists and not having a marae in the game, it might be less politically sensitive. It’d also be easier to run a game with mostly Pakeha and a few Maori, in terms of demographics.

[quote=“Martin the Swede”]Talking about Dragonbane; in case anyone didn’t know that is a international LARP arranged mostly by some guys from Finland, but it takes place in Sweden. http://www.dragonbane.org is their website.
I don’t think I will participate in this game, mainly because of the cost. It costs like 1200 Swedish Crowns (208 New Zeeland dollars), and then you haven’t countered the cost of traveling to the LARP (it is arranged in another part of Sweden).[/quote]

I was booked in to to Dragonbane this year, before it was postponed. I thought it was cheap for a week-long game in a specially-made village with all food included. It would have been a hell of a lot cheaper than the rest of the places I stayed while on holiday. :wink:

For a weekend-long game, around $40 to $80.

Hello larp friends on the other side of the world! :wink:

I am from Sweden also and have larp experience since 1991, and have seen a lot of interesting larps.

I can agree with Martin a bit of the description of general image of Swedish larps, But about fighting I don’t agree smiles
A fight is boring if its starts with out reason, and that we call “boffer” but a fight starting with reason can be really interesting and make dramatic consequences for the whole larp.
In this year I was on CoM www.mythodea.de in Germany, and it was a big international larp with more then 3200 participants… and there you could be in big glorious battles al day, ore be in the great town of 2000 citizens. So… it had the best parts of two worlds… great armies and great plots and diplomacy in the town.

Dragonbane… is a larp I wouldn’t go to, for the moment. If they can make it more trustfully I maybe change opinion. So for the moment I only goes to three larps each year ( and then I don’t counts my members larps) and that is Kastaria (see a private photo gallery: digitalbild.net/album/showal … 025617f547 )
Ore I generally goes to association Unicorn (in Swedish: Enhorningen) and theirs big larp Eleria campaign (see photo: enhorn.com/bildarkiv/bild_arkiv.asp?Lajv=200 )

But the big larp for me is CoM and the fee for participants how are coming from another country is about 42 Euro. And if some one here wants to know more about it, you can email me fredrik@lajvsverige.se
Ore visit our international forum page lajvsverige.se/forum/viewforum.php?f=33

About larp on New Zeeland
My view is most about the Mordavia larp, and my opinion is that you are doing great high fantasy larps… and I like it! =)
You seem to have the thoughts about to do fantasy to reality, and make it good… and in the other side here in Sweden are going to do every thing so realistic, and so boring with no fantasy creature… only what I feel.
I think that larp in New Zeeland have an advantage about you environment to do settings with good creations how can make people around the globe to be interested to come…
Ore do I have wrong about it? =)

friendly regards

[quote=“Scotty”]Its a “Living Museum.” http://www.fencible.org.nz/main.htm

I had a look at what it would cost to hire out so we could run a larp…

Are you sitting down?

$1000/day.[/quote]

well, i wa sitting down, and fell of my chair.

Thats to rich for Circle blood I’m afraid. I have trouble convinving the treasurer to part with money for new props, he woudl have fit if i told him the cost of that. His little hands would clench into fists, and he woudl stamp his tiny feet. Well, not really, he is bigger than me, but you get the idea.

R

I think of Mordavia as low fantasy rather than high fantasy. I’m not sure what other poeple use low/high to differentiate between them but Mordavia is a blood and mud type of game where good doesn’t always triumph over evil. I think of that as “low” whereas I’d consider a game where beautiful tanned heroes heroicly slew overwhelming hoards of evil minions to be “high”…

I used to prefer fantasy to historical. Then I read some history books and realized that it’s true what they say. “Reality IS stranger than fiction!”

The advantage of doing historical games is there are books which show clothing, armour, weapons etc that people can research. They can strive for a level of excellence that cannot be measured in a fantasy setting.

The disadvantage is the temptation to try to convince everyone else they must similarly strive towards this level of excellence… :smiley:

I’ve found out something interesting about the Swedish LARP culture, again… :wink:
I have always considered the Nordic (Sweden, Norway and Finland, and maybe also Danmark) LARP scene as more grown up, realistic, with “better equipment” and so on than the “continental LARP scene” (say Germany, French, Belgium, Italy).

The thing I found out is that everything has to do with the specific countries/regions reenactment scene.
The western and southern parts of Europe have a very welldeveloped reenactmentscene, with many societies doing everything from sewing historically correct clothes (a tunic model 1206 someone?) to cooking medieval food.
The LARPers down there are then much more aimed at the fantasy adventure. “If you wants to recreate the medieval, become an reenactor!”. The LARPs seem to be much more like ordinary role playing games, with lots of rules (Specific hitpoints for your armour parts, possibillity to rise in “level” and so on), lots of magic, heroes, fantasy creatures, epic battles. In Sweden we call this (actually in a bit of negative meaning) high fantasy.

In the Nordic countries we never had any strong reenactor scene. If you ask someone in the street if he has any idea of what reenactment is most people will give you a confused look and say “No, I don’t”. If you ask someone if he knows what LARP is most people will at least recognise the term (“Well, something with people in medieval clothes running around in the forest”), many people you even know someone that is LARPing (mainly if you ask younger people).

The whole thing is that the nordic LARP scene has been shouldering the burden of the (missing) reenactment scene, which is novadays beginning to grow steadily. Therefore, the developement of the nordic (especially the Swedish I think…) LARP scene between 1995 and 2005 has steadily pointed at becoming more realistic, more “historical” (even if regular LARPs set in a historical medieval time are few) and most of all less fantasy.
A developement even I have noticed since I started with LARP spring 2003 is that the amount of Low Fantasy LARPs (in Sweden that often means that there is a village with humans and some folklore creatures in the forest, never any orches, dark elves and so on) are steadily increasing, and the amount of High Fantasy LARPs are steadily decreasing.

This very morning I wrote a post on the http://www.lajvsverige.se-forum regarding the fact that as soon someone asks something like “May I have this or this equipment on LARPs” the answer is “No, there were no such thing in the medieval”. <-- SO? 99% of the LARPs in Sweden aren’t medieval, they are medievalinspired fantasyLARPs. If the organizer (game master) of the LARP decides that you can bring a specific equipment (this time it was some old pistol alá 1650) because it exists in there LARP world, so be it.

Too many people seem to think that they at the same time may tell people that “That didn’t exist in the medieval!” and then themselves show up on LARPs dressed in something they think are “medieval”, but in fact is totally incorrect. Most LARP-clothes I have seen in my life looks a lot more like 1500-1600 clothes, with some touch of something that never existed at all in known human history = Fantasy.

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So, after this 300page novel of babbling about problems in the Swedish LARP-culture ( :laughing: ) I wonder if you are having any similiar problems? And most of all, do your country have a relatively strong reenactment scene, e.g. do people recognise the world reenactment better than the term LARP?[/color]

Well, re-enactment has been around for a couple of decades now so we don’t need Larp to soak people with a historical accuracy bent although there’s a reasonable crossover. Re-enactment groups vary between the ones that are mostly about fighting and the ones that are into craft or music and dance. They also vary between the ones where people care about how accurate their underwear is (I’m thinking of you, Derek, as I write this :wink:) and the ones where a reasonable effort to not look out of place is OK. There’s a lot of variety, so people can look around and find what they like.

Do the general public recognise the term re-enactment better than Larp? I have no idea actually, I never really asked. The people at work tend to generalise my hobbies under the category “Steph’s Lord of the Ring’s stuff”, and don’t bother making any more distinctions than that.

Steph

Hey all you foreigners out there! :wink:
Yep, yet another swede has come to your site babbling about just how fancy and great we swedes are doing fantastic larps… well… at least i hope i won’t come to that :wink:

The name is Petter not Peter and i have a great interest in larping and my home-cooked makizushi.

[quote=“Martin the Swede”]The game itself will maybe not be exactly like normal Swedish games (it is arranged by people from Finland so… :stuck_out_tongue:) but it will certainly be nice. There will be 500-800 participants (or so I’ve heard).
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Actually Martin Its a joint group of estonias, swedes, finnish larpers and some another nationalitys to that is bringing the projekt to the deep and beautifal forests of Älvdalen.

…by the way, if you want to get impressed, check the scenery of whats already been built at www.dragonbane.org
That’s some really nice longhouses.

Then back to the always so exiting discussion of reenactment vs. larp.
Well, I have to say that this year I really learned myself I lesson when speaking to a lot of swedish reenacters. Quite a big number of the is or has been larpers. Many of them saw larp as one nice thing and a reenactment as another.

No need to get all nemesis-speaking about the hobbies while you can combine the crafting and culture knowledges of the reenacting world implemted on a medievel or fantasy-medieval style larp with your nobleman-manners and freck’n awsome 1380:s knight armour and clothes.

Then when it gets to the point when people argue that there hobby is much better than the others…i just look in another direction and turn of the volume of my ipod.

I’m pretty sure the Victorians would disagree with you, if they were still alive.

I have a theory that re-enactment has pretty much always gone on. Maybe not during some of the big wars, but I think people always credit there own generations with more imagination that the previous ones.

I agree. I take my LARPing a lot less “seriously” than my medieval stuff. But only in terms of what I strive for. With the medieval re-enactment, I’ll happily spend a few days researching the right type of buckle to attach to my spurs (and then order them from overseas for $45.00). But with LARPing I can throw a complete costume together in an evening or two…

That is disturbingly erotic and I shan’t be able to concentrate for the rest of the day. :smiley:

I’m pretty sure the Victorians would disagree with you, if they were still alive.[/quote]The current re-enactment movement in New Zealand has been active for a couple of decades now. Ya wanna year? The first club that I know of was founded in 1983. Whatever the Victorians were doing, they didn’t leave any continuity. I know of no clubs that can say “Sirrah, we can trace our club’s ancestry to the Indian Mutiny.” That’s what I meant.

Stephanie

That is disturbingly erotic and I shan’t be able to concentrate for the rest of the day. :smiley:[/quote]

Well… accurate or not… this year I went to a larp that went on for about 5 days and for the first time I used only IC clothes… the feeling of linen underwear instead of the usual boxers surely made me feel more IC… so don’t underestimate the power of your briefs.

I understand. I have many pairs of linen underwear, seperate woollen hose, hand stitched turn shoes etc… I often wear this type of thing LARPing, because it’s easier than making a new costume specific to my character, and I tend mostly to play NPCs which often don’t last long enough to invest much effort/time in creating a unique costume for.

Just a tip for all you islanders… unrealitiesofmine.blogspot.com/2 … ntasy.html - An article divided in two parts about nordic larping written by Jonas Barkå.

I think of Mordavia as low fantasy rather than high fantasy. I’m not sure what other poeple use low/high to differentiate between them but Mordavia is a blood and mud type of game where good doesn’t always triumph over evil. I think of that as “low” whereas I’d consider a game where beautiful tanned heroes heroicly slew overwhelming hoards of evil minions to be “high”…

I used to prefer fantasy to historical. Then I read some history books and realized that it’s true what they say. “Reality IS stranger than fiction!”

The advantage of doing historical games is there are books which show clothing, armour, weapons etc that people can research. They can strive for a level of excellence that cannot be measured in a fantasy setting.

The disadvantage is the temptation to try to convince everyone else they must similarly strive towards this level of excellence… :smiley:[/quote]

I think you have right and I have wrong, but then would your experience tell me more that your larps in New Zeeland are really interesting to know more about =)

So can’t you email me some links about other larps and pictures from New Zeelands-larper?

fredrik@lajvsverige.se

friendly regards
Fredrik

Try the mordavia site www.mordavia.com

There ae photos and stuff on there.

Hi there
For anyone interrested in european-large-scaled Larps there’s also the Drachenfest in Germany which normally tends to be 3000+ players.
You can get informations www.drachenfest,info if you’re interested.
Sry to post it into your disscusion but I thought it might be interessting and I didn’t want to open a own thread for it :unamused:

Greets

Idhrenelin, the strange german girl

Updated my gallery with some new pictures from various Swedish LARP’s :slight_smile: Check it out!
http://album.fotolabo.net/altiapp/amp/amp.fcg?GSTLOGIN=&ALBUMID=IcG4wOJxgN&PASSWD=IcGJnS3DAM&LANG=se