We feel that this is a discussion on power levels of magic in larp and whether or not it is a good idea to have point and click spells in a game or not. Therefore we would like to keep it out of the Teonn forums and here in the general one. Of course, Teonn players all have access to this forum and can express their opinions just as well here.
When I hear “Point and Click” magic, I think immediately of spells that can be cast within 5 seconds.
If there’s a spell with no cast-time, which can be used an infinite amount of times, then it shouldn’t be stronger than a standard weapon, especially since magic users can also wear normal weaponry.
On the other end, if something takes 5 minutes to prepare, and can only be used, say, once per day, then I’d say that spell should be stronger than a ritual.
Further, spells or abilities that incapacitate people are very dangerous, if they’re too easy, and even if it’s only for say 5 seconds, that’s enough for a person with weapon to hit you atleast 5 times, and since people who are unconscious/incapacitated can be “Finishing moved” in Teonn, it’s basically an easy way to avoid masses of HP and armor.
Even spells/abilities that stun, or just disorientate people for a short while can be lethal, though less so than the total incapacitation.
There was no finishing blow. Lifting and carrying the sleeping ork somehow resulted in him dying.
…which isn’t to say it couldn’t be used in that way.
After Zog was slept, he was tied up and woken up. He then bellowed like a bull for a bit, on his knees. He was then bludgeoned unconscious with a battle axe.
Then, he was moved before first aid was applied to him, resulting in his death.
All that part seems just fine to me. The being tied up, smacked up with the battle axe and bleeding out, when being moved on 0HP was all good fun.
Way I here the story 3 heavy fighters lined up for a good fight then one PC used an instant sleep effect on Zog and Snot. Taking them both down instantly and rendering the fighters completely pointless.
…and, potentially, resulting in fewer PC deaths. Also one of the fighters screamed at the PC who had used the sleep spell (apparently he thought it dishonorable), so as roleplaying the scene still worked pretty well.
will just add my two cents here
being the PC with sleep ability, while some see it as powerful it does in fact have its limits and restrictions
It may have “limits” but you pointed at 2 people and made them fall asleep instantly. No chanting. No ritual. No casting. Just sleep. I really don’t think the limits are that relevant to either of them.
Gaffy, I suggest becoming an assassin =D.
…and nobody killed them while they were asleep. Wow, some people are hard to please. 
They haven’t been complaining as far as I’ve seen.
But back to the original topic, how’d you feel to get taken out with a single word, 1 second cast time spell?
Because I don’t think I’d like it much.
They haven’t been complaining as far as I’ve seen.
But back to the original topic, how’d you feel to get taken out with a single word, 1 second cast time spell?
Because I don’t think I’d like it much.[/quote]
Nope, not at all. I don’t think this thread is really about them though (for one, they are keeping away from it).
For me it would depend on the specifics of the limitations, and on how the thing was used in practice. In this specific case I can see very little fault. If I go on a rampage and kill other PCs, putting me to sleep to momentarily stop the rampage doesn’t seem like the worst option. However, if it is ever used to knock PCs out and finishing blow them… Well, I’m not so comfortable with that.
So you’re ok with crazy powers because you believe they’ll never be abused?
If its broken its broken. A lot of elemental powers are broken. They’re way more powerful than anything that other PCs can ever get. More powerful than any ritual or magic or skill thats buyable. There racial power by itself with nothing else is more powerful than multiple characters full character sheet at once.
[quote=“AbCcCoxDsEHSoeVVa”]So you’re ok with crazy powers because you believe they’ll never be abused?
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Nope. But to me this seems like the equivalent of using a tazer instead of a gun. And, as a person, I’d rather be put to sleep than stabbed. Put to sleep then stabbed is another matter entirely.
That doesn’t mean I don’t think there should be checks on this stuff. But if we’re referring to the specifics of how I’d feel, then that is how I’d feel.
True I guess. I’d much rather be tazored than shot. But I don’t know if I’d want a bunch of 4 month old people running around with tazors and the ability to end me as soon as I was tazored.
Add to that theres no balance here at all. Consider that 4 of the races are kind of balanced. Elementals are certainly not balanced with the rest. Humans I’ll be honest I don’t know many abilities from but I suspect they have the potential for the same rediculous abuse.
The human powers I’ve heard of are: the ability to lie 3 times a day and be believed. The ability to go invisible 3 times a day. And Invention. Apparently the ability to make things. Examples of which are a truth potion, a weird galvanising potion, A cannon and a ressurection potion.
Dylan you need to not believe everything you hear 
Dylan, looks like they got you with that lying ability
Though today the day, isn’t the same as back in the fantasy setting In the real world, it’s very hard to kill someone, and get away with it, most people also don’t have weapons with them all the time.
Also, the general death-rate in Cormere is bigger than I’ve heard of in any city that’s not at war or has had a disaster happen. Atleast percentage wise, I wouldn’t trust someone with an ability that can knock me out for several minutes.
Also, in the real world, one hit by a sword is potentially a kill, one shot is potentially a kill, in the Teonn LARP, that’s not the case. This means that the sleep spell/ability is basically a direct way to evade all of the persons defenses, including his health and just kill him, even if he sees it coming and would have enough time to stop it with, say, a counter spell (Which many people don’t have, if it exists at all).
What I think would be a better alternative however, would be a bind spell, a spell that locks the arms to the torso instantly, only allowing the person to run away, and not actually harm anyone. This wouldn’t leave you vulnerable to instant death, however it would allow you to make it safe to approach a person. It could probably have some out of combat uses aswell =D.
I quite like sleep spells. Stun spells and all that kind of thing. But I think that having a spell to cast before you did it, and/or a spell packet to throw at the target would be fairer to the victim.