[quote=“Alex”]
Thanks heaps for all the scaremongering, way to give Airsoft a great image.
I’ve been playing with the APA (Auckland Players of Airsoft) for the last 10 or so months now. I’ve been to all sorts of games from dense NZ bush to open farmland to an old factory. [/quote]
You know i have been waiting for you to get involved in this, for some reason i knew that whatever i put up you would disagree.
[quote=“Alex”]
[color=red]Airsoft hurts.[/color] But all you need is eye/face protection. I play in a pair of Strikers and they work fine.
Some people play in full face masks but even that’s not necessary unless you really want to as wearing a mask for hours gets to be a pain in the arse.[/quote]
i think we have already discussed this and we realise that yes there is a certain amount of pain involved. but however you cannot deny that there is a certain amount of risk of serious injury involved with using soft guns. Particulary eye injury so we must remove or lessen as much as we can the risk of injury. which is all i am concerned about, as far as the reputation of airsoft games in Auckland, i could care less, i care about LARPing you guys can look after yourselves.
[quote=“Alex”]
Occasionally you might get shot in the face, and yes - it hurts, you might get some welts even but they’ll go away. And this is from playing with seriously upgraded competition-grade guns which I seriously doubt anyone would buy for a LARP.[/quote]
are trying to excuse the potential danger of getting shot in the face or are you telling us all to harden up and get over it. because if it is the latter .
[size=75]Ed’s note: keep it clean[/size]
[quote=“Alex”]
That said, if you decide to run an Airsoft Larp (Which I think is a great thing), I’d suggest you contact a senior member from our club to come along and give a safety lesson to all players. [color=red] I suggest you also have ‘Safe’ zones where no guns are allowed to enter to allow people to take off their masks and goggles. [/color] [/quote]
way ahead of you alex david and i are already talking about this. please understand two things alex. 1 i ave been involved in shooting and shooting sports for close to fifteen years, pistol, rifle, and yes Airsoft. i was playing air soft when the guns first came on the market, even before the electronic guns were available, my spring action MP5 ws one of the first SMG style guns to come into the country. so i am not trying to scare monger anything i am trying to make people AWARE of the risks that are involved.
I am keen for this larp to happen as much as you are but what i do not want in any way shape or form is to have any gung ho rambo wannabees running around like idiots thinking that its ok because they are only “Soft Guns”
you have the contacts in your airsoft club so instead of knocking me down for being a voice of safety and common sense why dont you get on board and help us out.
[quote=“Alex”]
You can also place FPS (feet per second) limits on guns and have a chronometer at the game to measure the speed at which the bb is fired. That way you can control the power at which people are shot. Our club has no FPS limit apart from our indoor field which means frequently coming up against people who are shooting at 500-600fps. I’d recommend a fps limit of 300 for an airsoft larp as this is around the stock standard for most guns and hurts alot less.[/quote]
would you be willing to take charge of this side of the safety regs, seriously alex please be open about this and stop the pissing contest, our Prime concern must be safety or this will never happen.
[quote=“Alex”]
There are three types of airsoft guns: electric, gas and spring.
Spring guns fire a single shot then you need to pull the slide or bolt back again for another shot. These are generally the cheapest.
Gas guns release a small amount of gas to propel the bb. Many gas semi-automatic pistols can be found. These fire a shot every time you pull the trigger until you run out of bb’s or gas.
Electric guns have a small motor that re-cocks the spring with no effort from the user. Automatic guns (Hold the trigger and it keeps firing until the trigger is released) are electrics, they are usually known as AEGs (Automatic Electric Guns).
Important note: Full auto guns are ILLEGAL in NZ. Apart from the ones that were permanently converted before the ban there are electric guns allowed in the country. Trying to import one will end up in it being confiscated and you spending your money with nothing to show for it.
As for buying guns in NZ - DONT!
Trademe is a ripoff haven for airsoft guns. Those $50 jobbies on there are worth more like $5. If you want a decent gun it’s best to buy online (Usually from Hong Kong) and ship it to NZ. This usually works out alot cheaper than buying from a store like Young’s Airguns as they mark them up to pay their overheads. If you want advice on guns, visit the airsoft forum and just ask.[/quote]
all of this is a side issue right now, we are trying to sort out the logistics of safety and how to play the guns safely so please dont bog the discussion down with technical bullshit that we dont really need to know.
right now Alex the game is till in the first phases of design and planning, and nothing is going to kill the whole concept dead quicker than a pissing contest. our attitude has to be that soft guns are dangerous, and we have to treat then as Real Guns, as lethal as a twelve gauge shotgun, as soon as we start treating them as “toys” or “Soft” guns then we are setting ourselves up for a mighty big fall.
the guys that are in your club are all enthusiasts who have a real interest in shooting and shooting sports, i dont know the club but i would expect that a large number have firearms safety training and are involved in other forms of shooting. peole who have this level of training and experience are in the minoroty in Larping at the moment. so comparing your Milsim games to a larp (although completely true) is rather innappropriate. you play with poeple who have a high level of firearms safety ingrained at a instinctive level.
I dont want to insult anyone here so please if i do i apologise, but we have to work at the level of the lowest common denominator here, and that is a gung ho navy seal wannabee who thinks that because he has played a couple of paintball games and has a spirng powered glock under his pillow he can rule the world. and work our way up to people like you alex who know what they are on about and treat guns (any guns) with the respect they deserve.
get behind the safety issues Alex dont dismiss them, if we put the hard yards into this game and make sure that all the accidents that we can prevent are prevented and the unexpected is expected and systems to minimise its effects are put in place before the fist player is even signed up then the game is going to be remembered as a great success, and not the game where someone lost an eye.
So would you be willing to join the planning team and work with me and David on the safety issues?